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Other countries

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:24 pm
by MartinHewitt
I find it interesting to look how other countries do. Although I have never been there I think Argentina is an interesting country (due to my interest in hockey). So last night I researched a bit about the safe situation in Argentina. Perhaps other countries will follow, so I gave this thread a more general name.

Now to my observations based on my very basic Spanish skills:

I know from my job, that import and export with Argentina is difficult. It makes it difficult to get stuff from there (anybody here from Argentina who could forward some shirts?) and I think it also an influence on the safe market. First of all I believe the safe lock are locally made where possible. Most key locks have a slightly V-shaped key bit. (A bit like the NATO Mersey lock.) Practically every safe has that type of key lock. It is double bitted and double throw(?). It is probably in the tradition of the Spanish/Italien double bitted locks. I can't find this lock in Spain or Italy, so I presume it is of Argentine origin. I couldn't find any name for this lock. The mechanical combination locks are very often from Rench. In Mark Bates book are three Rench locks, one with manipulation protection unlike every other mechanisms I have seen. I realized only last night that Rench is an Argentine company. Sadly I was not able to find any Rench locks outside Argentina. The new safes are mostly really cheap boxes like these from China, but I believe that many are locally made, because they have this V-lock. The high end safes seem to be more solidly built safes with one or two steel sheets as walls. Can't say if the two-sheet version has filled walls. Gun cabinets are more like the real cheap stuff. A cabinet for rifles can e.g. weigh 40kg. Then there are used safes. They look more solidly built.

Now some links ... (FYI: 1 USD = 38 ARS)

Small cheap safes with V-lock: ... x13-cm-_JM ... d-fina-_JM
This one has additinally a combination lock, which reminds me of the SERCAS lock: ... x18-13-_JM

Gun cabinet (again with V-lock): ... -anmac-_JM

A small safe with a direct entry combination lock: ... ortuna-_JM

An older wall safe with V-lock and combination lock: ... hierro-_JM
Don't know if it is a Rench lock or not. Perhaps someone of you is able to find patent 111212. Perhaps on this site: ... nzada.aspx

Some used safes: ... -usada-_JM ... -60-cm-_JM ... fuerte-_JM ... tizada-_JM

A really big one with Rench combination locks and time lock: ... 1800kg-_JM

A really old one: ... ntigua-_JM

Re: Other countries

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:58 pm
by mdc5150
I know very little about Argentina and it's safes. I knew the Rench time locks were made there.

The only other thing I know is that they have great grass fed beef. There is or was a steakhouse in Kuwait City called the Gaucho Grill, they served Argentinian beef and it was incredible.

Re: Other countries

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:07 pm
by MartinHewitt

Re: Other countries

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:40 pm
by MartinHewitt
A video about Rench:

Even a vault lock like the 6400/6500. And wheels assembled with love!

I have to make a holiday in Argentina!

Re: Other countries

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:58 pm
by Jaakko Fagerlund
Would be very nice to pay a visit to their factory, really loved what they did at S&G in Kentucky :)

Re: Other countries

PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:07 pm
by MartinHewitt
Lever lock picking and hidden direct entry fence manipulation:
Lever lock picking with a nice view on the lock:
Doesn't look difficult at all with this 2-in-2 tool. No anti-picks or so.

Oh, I want to make holidays in Argentina!

Re: Other countries

PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:53 pm
by MartinHewitt
I did not yet mention it ... In Mark Bates' book are three locks from Rench. The first is a standard 6700 series clone. The second is a manipulation protected version. From what I see on the photo it is basically doing what a tomahawk does, but different and perhaps only when turning the dial in opening direction. So the turning resistance is perhaps only when turning the dial right. The third lock is a combination lock with delay.

I sent an email to Roa two weeks ago asking for a European distributor (they have their website in Italian). As I didn't get a reply I wrote them with my very basic knowledge of Spanish. Well, let's see what happens.

PS: Italy and Spain would also be good candidates for this thread as they have their own lock and safe companies and tradition.

PPS: Or a really obvious candidate for you, but not for me, would be Germany. I think I will prepare a posting here for you.

PPPS: And I would appreciate it if people who are from "unusual" (i.e. not US and perhaps not UK) would write something about the situation in their country.

Re: Other countries

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:45 pm
by MartinHewitt
ROA responded in English and a tiny bit German. I learned from them, that Rench doesn't exist anymore, but there is a follow-up company called Cooperativa de Trabajo Cerraduras de PrecisiĆ³n (CDP). It is at the same location as Rench and they have a cute web site with some photos: https://cooperativa-de-trabajo-cdp-cerr ...