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S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:47 pm
by MartinHewitt
I can only find the standard marketing photo which doesn't show much of the internals due to the wheel pack holder and is probably a 6500. How do these locks work? I assume they have manipulation protection mechanism which also the smaller locks have, e.g. the 6630, 8400, 8500.

PS: The spindle threading or dial compatibility would be also interesting.

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:49 pm
by Squelchtone
I have a 6530 style lock which is just Group 2, of which I could do a break down of for you, or mail you the lock (you just pay shipping)

The 6430 is Group 2M, while the 6435 is Group 1. I am not sure what else they included to make manipulation or reading contact points more difficult.

Some part numbers you may already be familiar with:

Part Number Material Description
6430-002 Group 2M, Square Bolt, Right-hand lock, Direct Drive
6430-003 Group 2M, Square Bolt, Left-hand lock, Direct Drive
6430-004 Group 2M, Center Extension, right-hand lock, Direct Drive
6430-005 Gropu 2M, Center Extension, left-hand lock, Direct Drive
6435-003 Group 1, Square Bolt, Right-hand Lock, Indirect Drive
6435-004 Group 1, Square Bolt, Left-hand lock, indirect drive
6435-005 Group 1, Center Extension, Right-hand lock, indirect drive
6435-006 Group 1, Center Extension, left-hand lock, indirect drive
6435-008 Group 1, Roller Bolt, left-hand lock, indirect drive
6435-009 Group 1, Upper Extension, right-hand, indirect drive
6530-001 Group 2, Center Extension, Reversible, Direct Drive
6530-002 Group 2, Roller Bolt, Reversible, Direct Drive
6530-003 Group 2, Square Bolt, Reversible, Direct Drive
6535-002 Group 2, Roller Bolt, Reversible, Indirect Drive
6535-005 Group 2, Upper Extension, Reversible, Indirect Drive
6535-007 Group 2, Center Extension, Reversible, Indirect Drive
6535-010 Group 2, Square Bolt, Reversible, Indirect Drive

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:32 pm
by MartinHewitt
I found this links with photos from a 6535 just as I wrote this posting: http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/Riyam ... t=3&page=1

That is why I didn't include it here in my question. But even with these photos I would be interested in one, if you could separate from it ...

There is only one dial for all vault locks. So special features like in the 8400 and 8500 are not possible. Group 2M could possibly be something like the false gates and the nose roller in the 6630, but Group 1 must be something the magic module locks don't have.

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:04 pm
by madsamurai
heh, I just got out-bid for one of those on ebay... hope it was one of you guys, hate for some stranger to get it ;)

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:26 pm
by MartinHewitt
No, didn't see it.

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:20 am
by MartinHewitt
Actually it is quite difficult to find stuff from the US on German ebay. It seems ebay somehow translates the English text to German and then compares the translation with my search string. At least if I search for "combination lock" it won't find anything which contains "combination lock". Maybe it translates "combination lock" to German "Verbindung Schloss" (="connection lock") or whatever.

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:09 am
by MartinHewitt
Mad Samurai, thank you for pointing me to ebay. I just found there a second-hand new 6435 (last of two) for a quarter of the price of a first-hand new 6435 as Buy Now. I will let you know how it works when I have it.

Squelchtone, unless this transaction is somehow fraud I won't need to proceed on your generous offer. Thank you!

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:22 am
by MartinHewitt
Got the 6435 today! It is not obvious why it is a Group 1 lock. The fence has a roller where it rides on the drive cam. Maybe this is different from the Group 2?

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:04 pm
by MartinHewitt
The Chubb dial from the 7L64 is compatible to the 6435.

The lever nose wheel is the only difference IMHO. It's purpose is to make feeling the contact point very difficult. If that little difference increases Group 2 to Group 1, then what is the Group 2M?

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:20 pm
by MartinHewitt
That's the sticker on the cover and the 50 dollar roller (price difference between 6535 and 6435). I don't know the patent.

Group 2M is only available as direct drive. Maybe the roller changes ...

6530 Group 2 Direct Drive -> 6430 Group 2M Direct Drive
6535 Group 2 Indirect Drive -> 6435 Group 1 Indirect Drive

In this case the roller is a 100 dollar roller.

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:12 pm
by MartinHewitt
A few more photos of the 6435. I wonder if it could be used as a replacement of an old Kromer lock.

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:20 am
by Oldfast
Lock Poooooooorn! :D

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:10 am
by MartinHewitt
Two more questions:

Why is it a LOBC? I do not see anything locked.
How is the manipulation of the 6530/6535?

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:06 pm
by MartinHewitt
And one more:

The indirect drive is in a separate layer on the back of the 6435 because it can be turned to three directions. This layer can be removed completely. Is the remaining lock then a direct drive? Or has the direct drive a different back layer or a different case?

Re: S&G 6430, 6435

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:08 pm
by MartinHewitt
And one answer:
Why is it a LOBC? I do not see anything locked.

Yup, there is nothing locked, because it is no LOBC. There are three key change holes. One is for RH. The second for LH. Next to the third is the "LOBC". When the wheels are positioned for this key change hole all gates are pointing away from the bolt and are at the location where the hook of the cover is. If the hook of the cover would be longer then it would function like this old, magnificent, brass lock with a LOBC (Mosler?).

Sometimes observing and thinking answers questions.