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The NL redundant locks - first peek

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Post Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:04 pm

The NL redundant locks - first peek

I'm new into the art of manipulation of combination locks, and I have just started on a couple of old S&G 6730's.

I bought some NL redundant locks ( I believe they are marketed in the US as LP locks, Loss Prevention), and to my understanding the man behind the NL locks of the Netherlands (Nick Gartner) was the prior owner of La Gard.

One of the LG's is a swingbolt, the other a deadbolt. The deadbolt version is much thicker than standard, and will have installation issues in some containers.

Anyway, these locks was not purchased to manipulate, but to replace the locks on my gun safes. My country requires gun safes that are more like the US TL-15 ratings, and the locks also have to be certified. Thus the Securam Xtreme that I also bought, could not be used as it had slipped my attention that the mechanical side of this redundant lock is not certified at all. The certification they boost are only relevant for the electronic side of the lock. Questionable marketing in my opinion. No dual lock is more safe than that of the weakest lock provided.

The NL's:
LP.jpg


I'm not an expert so take my comments as my newbee understanding of how this works.

LPXPREMIERXREDUNDANTX1.jpg


I think the pivot locker will get into play when excessive pressure is applied to the boltwork, like smashing the opening handle. The swingbolt will then pivot and lock into the "gears" machined to the case and the swingbolt. That would be a safeguard to safes with inferior boltwork that does not provide a break pin or clutch drive if subjected to brute force.

LPXPREMIERXREDUNDANTXrelocker.jpg

LPXPREMIERXREDUNDANT2.jpg

LPXPREMIERXREDUNDANT3.jpg

LPXPREMIERXREDUNDANT4.jpg


I find it strange that this is a 2M rated lock. Most 2M locks will have an extra arm inside that lifts the nose away from the cam until it is over the drop-in point, keeping it from being able to touch the contact points and disallowing measurements like you'd get on a Group 2. This lock has no such contraption. Never the less, I tried measuring change in contact points while gate was over a combination dial, but could not read any differences. I don't know how this is done, as it seems the fence is riding the wheels. Close manufacturing tolerances? Or is it enough to be rated 2M to have 4 wheels vs 3? Someone with more experience, please chime in.

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Post Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:08 pm

Re: The NL redundant locks - first peek

As for the Securam, I'm going to study if the mechanical lock is all rubbish or not.

But I just love the sturdy look of it, and the mechanical dial :-) It has soo nice and clear readings around the dial. It's a pitty that it is not certified.

securam1.jpg
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Post Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:22 pm

Re: The NL redundant locks - first peek

Oh nice, I was looking at those Securam locks a little while ago. They are pretty neat. I have never heard of the new ones you bought.
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Post Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:51 pm

Re: The NL redundant locks - first peek

Riyame wrote:Oh nice, I was looking at those Securam locks a little while ago. They are pretty neat. I have never heard of the new ones you bought.


Nice you found it interesting :-)

You might want to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC1c2xN8DI4

I find redundant locks the best locks nowadays. Every lock is prone to failure, that being electronic or mechanical, but as you double it your are quite safe (pun intended ;-) )
And the electronic opening is just so much more convenient in daily use. I will practice the mechanical opening every now and then, just to keep track of the code and dialing procedure. This will not wear out the mechanical lock in a thousand years ;-)

Here is the dial of the Securam (note that generous number spacing, really easy to read! ) :
dialXsecuram.jpg


Another issue with the Securam (beside the obvious blunder with the lack of certification of the mechanical part) is that your fingerprints will show on the touchpad. Wipe it, or alernate between two codes that combined uses all of the available numbers. That way code numbers can´t be disclosed.
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Post Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:11 am

Re: The NL redundant locks - first peek

Thanks for the photos. Can you feel a contact point, wenn you put pressure on the swing bolt? Or could the handle be read like in a direct entry lock?
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Post Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:30 pm

Re: The NL redundant locks - first peek

MartinHewitt No, I can feel no difference.

I had to deploy the locks onto my safes, but I have some more pictures below. (I wonder why the thumbails show the correct way, but when opening the pictures they are sideways or upside down?)

lever.jpg


motorXshaftXcloseup.jpg


mechanicalXlockingXarea.jpg


Can the protution on the motorshaft also lock the lever in a position that keeps the fence lifted above the wheels? The nose seem to dive the exact same amount into the drivecam gate, wether a combination gate is present under the fence or not.
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Post Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:40 pm

Re: The NL redundant locks - first peek

Thanks. Now I understand how this works.
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