Wheel 1 and wheel 3
Wheel 1 is the first wheel the drive cam picks up, meaning it is the last number in the combination, and from cam to dial it is wheel 1, wheel 2, wheel 3? Or do i have this backward?
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ironwill04 wrote:Wheel 1 is the first wheel the drive cam picks up, meaning it is the last number in the combination,
and from cam to dial it is wheel 1, wheel 2, wheel 3? Or do i have this backward?
Oldfast wrote:ironwill04 wrote:Wheel 1 is the first wheel the drive cam picks up, meaning it is the last number in the combination,
and from cam to dial it is wheel 1, wheel 2, wheel 3? Or do i have this backward?
Good question Wil. And yeah, you have it backwards. Adjacent to the drive cam is not w1, but w3.
Confusing at first because... although it is the first to be picked up... it is the LAST to be dialed.
Wheel 3 corresponds to the 3rd (and final) number of your 3-number combination. Lets say you have
a 4-wheel lock? Nearest the drive cam is w4. It's the last wheel to be dialed/positioned and corresponds
with the last number of your 4-number combination. So I guess, think in terms of the order in which the
wheels are positioned to play out the combination, rather than the order in which they get picked up.
Also, we always talk of wheels in reference to the drive cam rather than the dial. Reason being -
cams can be front-mounted or rear-mounted depending on the lock. Meaning the cam might be
closest to the dial (ie. dial, drivecam, wheelpack)... or... the cam might be furthest from the
dial (ie. the wheelpack now sets between the dial and drive cam). So you see, the dial -
drivecam relationship may change. But one thing that always remains constant is that...
the last wheel to be positioned for your combination will always be closest to the cam.
Similarly, you'll run into the same mix up in regards to left and right contact points. It will
depend upon what piece of literature you're reading and whether they're viewing the lock
from the front or the back, lol. Traditionally the lock should be viewed from the front, as
if you had x-ray vision looking through the dial and at the drive cam's gate. But not all
authors stick with the universal lingo.
Lets make it real simple. Say you're working with an S&G lock who's CP's are 6 and 14.
The LEFT contact point is 6 ..... and the RIGHT contact point is 14.
So, you will turn right (cw) to touch your LCP @ 6
And you will turn left (ccw) to touch your RCP @ 14
ironwill04 wrote:In the general discussion of wheels; I did have another question regarding the flies.
Before digging to far into specific models and knowing learning about movable flies; it was my understanding that numbers on the dial would be about the same no matter how you approach them (eg from the left or right). I decided to run some tests and I did notice that if I park all the wheels at L0 and then went around to the right I would not pick up the first wheel again until I was pretty much in the same spot at R0. I re-ran this test with similar results at 50 as well. With movable flies this starts to make sense to me but I am not quite sure I grasp it fully.
While mapping all wheels L, I do not note any discernible gates (a little more difficult when rotation of the dial has an elliptical movement). However, when mapping all wheels R, there is a rather noticeable gate at 14. I then decided to amplify the area of 14 in both the right and left direction. The gate's center was found at right 14 but noting really noteworthy was found mapping the same area in left direction. High/Low testing revealed that the gate was on wheel 3, which confused me more because normally wheel 3 or the last number in the combination is dialed with a LEFT rotation.
I would appreciate any insight anyone has on this.
Wil
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