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Frans Schmidt safe opening sequence?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:53 am
by Jaakko Fagerlund
I received a safe opening job from a client. She has a Frans Schmidt safe (photo as an attachment) that she closed the door with the keys inside and now the door doesn't open. The three locks are open, but I'm wondering if there is some secret thing that has to be done with the ABCD wheels that are in the door front?

Lack of code is not an issue, but the actual opening method or sequence is a mystery. Even the keylocks were hidden behind some art work and that makes me suspect that there is some secret method to open it. She doesn't remember how it opens, as she is very old and hasn't opened the safe in a year or two.


Re: Frans Schmidt safe opening sequence?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:18 am
by 10ringo10
L@@KS to be 2 spring loaded night latch type bolts above & below main central bolt ..... unlocked on a spring mech

if unlocked just insert a cut down blank to move stump - bolt will move & pull these back - to open if just closed

would be a laborious task locking this up on a daily basis if not ... some kind of mech introduced to close it safely is your man states there complex spring mech -

Julius schuler & richter and Heinz both from hamburg where well known by diamond brokers and mentioned in a book

( Then we take berlin ) e book - safe cracking acid attack .... carry on F. Schmidt was from hamburg for reference


Re: Frans Schmidt safe opening sequence?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:50 pm
by mercurial
As 10ringo10 says, there should be two spring loaded latches, one above and one below the main central bolt, which would engage and keep the door closed if the door was pushed shut.

There is a picture of the bolt work of a very similar Frans Schmidt safe here, it is the second safe shown :

If the method suggested above using a filed down key does not work, I suggest side-drilling a small hole for each of the two spring loaded bolts, so you can push them in to gain entry. I am loathe to suggest drilling, but I think here it may be necessary & I get the impression that it is a common technique used to deal with this issue on such safes as well as similar mechanisms used in antique strongboxes. Repairing and disguising the holes afterwards should be easy. Working out where to place the holes may be the biggest challenge unless somebody can provide measurements.

The Frans Schmidt safe in the link I posted isn't identical to the one you are dealing with, but if it uses the same lock, it should be possible to find the drill points by taking measurements relative to the keyhole from the photo & re-scaling them to the safe.

Wish I could be of more assistance, hope this is of some value.


Re: Frans Schmidt safe opening sequence?

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:48 pm
by Jaakko Fagerlund
Thanks for the information guys. This ended up being a drill job unfortunately as nothing suitable to fit the keyhole was found. One little 4 mm hole strategically placed was all that was needed.