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Re: mdc5150's Manipulation Steps and Missteps

PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:14 pm
by Oldfast
mdc5150 wrote:Mike thanks for the reply! You have mot been around for a while.

Tell me about it :???: My attendance here goes down while my work hours go up this time of year.
Always pains me to take a step back from this wonderful place. It's all I can do to log on from
time to time to at least see what everyone's been up to.

Funny, you battle the extreme heat, while I battle the extreme cold for most of my spins. lol

Not sure which is worse... they can both be pretty nasty.

Re: mdc5150's Manipulation Steps and Missteps

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:31 am
by mdc5150
So I got back to the shop today our safe mover told me that he brought me something. An Amvault that with no combo, the boss bought it for next to nothing. I sat down in front of it thinking I was only going to see if the contact points were easy to read, and if I could find an indication of how a manipulation might go.


The dial and ring made me think it could possibly have a group 1m or 2m on it. Fortunately it gave steady readings not the up and down you find in the manipulation proof. I almost forgot, the spline key had been installed in the wrong spot and the drop was located between 26 and 33. I was a little put off by the drop being so far off from what I am used to but I figured I just had to change everything to the right by 25. I started taking readings at 40 and went all the way through 20 without any good indicators. I decided that maybe I needed to find a better place to park the wheels and so I spun AWR and I found 60 to be the lowest point. I parked 1 & 2 at 60 and when I got to 67 1/2 I found the grand canyon. It almost gave a whole number drop on the right contact. I thought it must be something I am doing wrong but I will complete the graph anyways and see where it goes. The graph was immaculate, the left and right contact were the most consistent I have ever seen on the readings. I made it all the way back around to 55 before I decided to set it up and test 67 1/2 again and again it gave a huge indication.

So I got to working on wheel 2 free spinning and not graphing. I got to 17 1/2 and again I got a nice indicator. It was not as drastic as wheel 3 but I set it up and tested it a second time. By this time I am feeling pretty confident that I was on the right track so I started testing combos that ended with 7 1/2. I tried everything and then I started trying going high and low in case one of the wheels was off. I tried them all again and started rocking the wheel back and forth to see if one of the gates could shift under the tapping of the fence. So now feeling a little disappointed I started trying combos at 0 and working up. Finally at 20 it opened. It has been a little while since I have had a successful opening, I really have not been putting in that much practice.

I need to learn to stick to the basics sometimes and exhaust those before I try anything else. Just in case someone wants to know what the interior looks like here is a photo.


Re: mdc5150's Manipulation Steps and Missteps

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:21 am
by femurat
Feels good when it finally opens :mrgreen:

Cheers :)

Re: mdc5150's Manipulation Steps and Missteps

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:42 pm
by jharveee

Re: mdc5150's Manipulation Steps and Missteps

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:20 am
by Oldfast
Hell yeah! :spinning: This is nice to see for sure.

That looks to be one of those heavier dials too. They can carry
some momentum and sometimes make it difficult to produce
light and consistent readings. Nicely done Matt. Very nice.

Structurally, that looks like a pretty serious safe.

Thanks for sharing... I loved reading along!

Re: mdc5150's Manipulation Steps and Missteps

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:58 pm
by MartinHewitt
I like how the bolt work looks. It is rather simple, but each piece is the construction is well done.