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My New Sargend and Greenleaf 6642

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Post Wed May 31, 2017 2:09 pm

Re: My New Sargend and Greenleaf 6642

That's why I said I must check the numbers again. I remember I put the false gate with the dot close to the fence and made a quick section AWL, but the numbers of the graph and the numbers I noted for the false gates don't line up. I must have made a mistake somewhere.
I'll check the numbers again and let you know.

Sorry for the confusion :)
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Post Wed May 31, 2017 11:54 pm

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So got mine today, and unfortunately for your theory, I neither have a false gate in the same position as yours, or any that have brass nubs protruding... I think this is something unique to yours. Mine also has different false gates on w3 from 1 & 2, which are the same. And my cam is painted metal, but it's a lightweight metal and kinda feels like plastic... rings if you drop it on a hard surface, tho, and shiny threads.
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Post Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:19 pm

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I had some time to play with the lock and decided to investigate the false gate with the dot again. The combo hasn't been changed yet. The first image with its two graphs represents the contact area around the false gate with the brass dot on wheel #3, the first two wheels are parked at their true gate. So wheels #1 and #2 at Left 51, wheel #3 around right between 0 and 95. I wrote down the numbers on a piece of paper and filled in the table from the bottom going up. I should reverse its order to reflect the test direction but I think it won't make a difference, once it's clear what I'm doing.

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The contact area is quite flat in general, and there's a big jump on the false gate. I followed Martin suggestion and made a second test checking contact points every half number just in that area. Here is the result.

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The right contact point doesn't show the brass dot. You can almost see the brass dot on the left contact point at 96,5 and 97.

I also checked the relative position of false gates on one wheel. Let's say the true gate is at 0, going left I find the false gates at 19,5 - 37 - 42 (the one with the brass dot) - 69,5 - 90.
I find funny that the false gate with the dot is at 42!

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Post Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:35 pm

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madsamurai wrote:So got mine today, and unfortunately for your theory, I neither have a false gate in the same position as yours, or any that have brass nubs protruding... I think this is something unique to yours. Mine also has different false gates on w3 from 1 & 2, which are the same. And my cam is painted metal, but it's a lightweight metal and kinda feels like plastic... rings if you drop it on a hard surface, tho, and shiny threads.


That's strange. Any chance to see some pictures of yours?

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Post Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:54 pm

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jharveee wrote:So in photo 3 the fence has dropped into Gate 89?

jharveee wrote:Dang, wrong one. 2 maybe.


I'm not sure I get what you mean. There's nothing at 89 and nothing at 2. Those are just the numbers where I decided to start graphing because they were flat areas around the false gate.
Does the new post of mine make more sense?

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Post Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:09 am

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femurat wrote:
madsamurai wrote:So got mine today, and unfortunately for your theory, I neither have a false gate in the same position as yours, or any that have brass nubs protruding... I think this is something unique to yours. Mine also has different false gates on w3 from 1 & 2, which are the same. And my cam is painted metal, but it's a lightweight metal and kinda feels like plastic... rings if you drop it on a hard surface, tho, and shiny threads.


That's strange. Any chance to see some pictures of yours?

Cheers :)

I'll take some pictures after work tomorrow, but basically what you're seeing protruding out of your false gate is part of the rekeying mechanism. It can only be in that specific position, so will only be visible like yours if there's a false gate where your false gate is. My false gates are at different locations than yours, so no bump. It also means trying to figure out the true gate position relative to false gates spacing/pattern isn't likely to work for these if they're all potentially different. Gonna have to work it out the hard way ;)
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Post Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:28 am

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I understand the gates are cut at random locations. So we should analyse our locks and post here the false gates position to see if they're random or if there are just two or three options.

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Post Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:56 am

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femurat wrote:I understand the gates are cut at random locations. So we should analyse our locks and post here the false gates position to see if they're random or if there are just two or three options.

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