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Yeah, I'll report back with the cover off. That bump at 19-21 is in there someplace. I need to find out what it is just because I've now spent so much of my life thinking about it.

First, my condolences. May I ask how long the two of you spent together? Also, I'm glad to see you were able to maybe take your mind off some things during this time with some spinnin'. Sorry I wasn't able to chime in and help much on this one. But to be honest, I really dunno how much more, if any, I could've added that others didn't already. I will say it looks like a difficult spin!

I dunno, looking everything over by compiling all your graphs together in one place,
along with the known combo... maybe there's something we can learn from this yet?



And lastly...

If/when you have the time, please do! I'd love to see the 'rest of the story'.

Oldfast, we had over 30 years together. And she still had her own combo to her own safe. Good fences make good neighbors...

Appreciate your condolences on her passing and on my difficult spin. And I'm glad to hear that it does look difficult as I found it to be so. I'd still appreciate anyone's comments on the graphs you have helpfully compiled. That could only help me learn more about manipulation in general.

I will come back with more info (pictures if helpful) after the back cover is removed. That might be a while still as I'm now busy with what was in the safe (paperwork-no unexpected treasure unfortunately.)

What I have learned, is how to fairly consistently measure and chart a wheel. This should be useful on the next project, which I'm hoping will be a two-hour open but will be happy with two-day. The two-month open tends to become all encompassing which tends to conflict with my natural laziness and desire to NOT spend every evening obsessing over a new procedure for opening an unopened safe.

Causes quit a bit of cognitive dissonance.

The only way the drop changes is if the spline key is set up different than the lock is actually mounted.

In reality, other than the strangeness of this and the shift of the forbidden zone to an odd place, this really has no negative effect on the function of the lock, right?

Right

EDIT: we are talking about spring loaded fence locks. If it's a gravity fence... you'll never be able to open it again.

Having a hard time wrapping my head around that one. Aren't they essentially the same except a gravity fence has a heavier lever and no spring? Am I missing something?

I think femurat's point is that unless a gravity driven fence lock is mounted with the correct orientation, it won't open because gravity won't be pulling the fence into the wheel pack - eg if the lock was mounted upside down.

I guess such a safe could be opened if the safe itself was turned upside down, placing the lock in it's rightful position.

You're right mercurial, you understood perfectly what I meant.
Thanks for putting it in better words.

And yes, if you turn the safe upside down with the lock mounted upside down, you have the lock working again.

Cheers

Oh ok, that makes perfect sense. I thought you meant that if the drive cam were splined differently it would cause it to never open again. Of course, a gravity driven fence would only have the drive cam splined in one place, because as you said it has to be mounted a certain way. Sorry for the confusion.