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Jj taylor lock manipulation

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Post Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:40 pm

Jj taylor lock manipulation

Tomorrow I get to go try and manipulate a JJ Taylor lock. Ive done many many sargent and greanleaf/laguard locks without problems but the 2 jj Taylors ive tried before I was unable to get. But i never let an opportunity pass me by.
Anyone have any tips with manipulating these locks?
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Post Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:40 pm

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

Do you need pictures of the inside or do you know what you are working with? I have one on hand I could take any pics of that you need.
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Post Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:11 pm

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

I have the savta pictures for the save was just thinking if anyone had any pointers.. i am determined to manipulate one of these safes open... its like my nemesis..
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Post Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:31 pm

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I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!
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Post Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:53 pm

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

So it turns out its a diebold 4 wheel lock
According to the savta information its possible to manipulate. I was able to get the 4th number before I had to leave.. it sure doesn't give up numbers as easily as a laguard or S&G. Make you appreciate 3 wheel locks.
The owner had cut off the hinges, tried to drill in 1 spot and the handle to retract the bolt is broken off..
Going to give it another go in a week or 2...
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Post Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:04 pm

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

Here is the same safe (in better condition)
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Post Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:00 pm

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

webpirate wrote:The owner had cut off the hinges, tried to drill in 1 spot and the handle to retract the bolt is broken off..

Geez, lol.... sounds like you're lucky there's even a dial left on there to work with. Ha!

Sorry I have nothing helpful to offer. But I am curious - where's the CP's on that one?
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Post Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:36 pm

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

Its a roller lock so There are 3 contact points, you ignore the second contact point and only take readings from 1 and 3.

If i recall 1 and 3 were at 90 and 10
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Post Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:18 pm

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

Thanks! I always like to hear about & gather info on locks I have yet to encounter.

webpirate wrote:Its a roller lock so There are 3 contact points, you ignore the second contact
point and only take readings from 1 and 3. If i recall 1 and 3 were at 90 and 10

You talkin' bout the bolt type? A roller bolt?

So this is interesting. Given the container & handle, I was thinking along the lines of a
Diebold/Eagle 171 lock, or maybe a Peerless. But obviously, you catching more than
than 2 CP's suggests otherwise. What lock exactly is it you believe you have there?

webpirate wrote:According to the savta information its possible to manipulate.
I was able to get the 4th number before I had to leave...

If you were able to catch at least one gate... that's promising.
I'd say you've a pretty good shot at an opening. I'm rootin' for ya!
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Post Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:39 pm

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

Oldfast, here is some pics of a J&J Taylor lock. They made them themselves instead of using a premade IIRC.

Front of the dial
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Change index to the right instead of left like most
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Back cover and change key hole
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The good stuff
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Post Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:53 am

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

Yes that's what's definitely in there. I can always feel 3 contact points on these locks. The second point being very subtle but I have a sensitive touch..
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Post Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:56 am

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

Sorry I meant ignore the first left contact point
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Post Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:07 am

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Here is what I mean... Sorry for the confusion

https://flic.kr/p/SjoXX9

With these locks you ignore the left contact point #1..
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Post Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:14 am

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Actually come to think of it I could probably try ignoring the middle contact point.. Or graphing all 3 contacts point..but I've moved on from graphing but would be willing to pull out the graph paper to finally get one of these opened... Frustrating to go from 15-30 minute openings to complete failure!
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Post Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:40 am

Re: Jj taylor lock manipulation

Where has Left 2 its contact point with the cam?
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