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Post Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:23 am

Re: fas 6890

MartinHewitt wrote:It is difficult to find the differences between the 68xx/69xx locks. What I found out is:

6580: Double bitted, key retaining, 8 levers, EN1300 Class A.
6804: Single bitted, key retaining, UL 437.
6805: Single bitted, not key retaining, UL 437.
6824: Double bitted, key retaining, UL 437.
6860: Double bitted, key retaining, 8 levers, EN1300 Class A.
6870: Double bitted, UL 437,
6880: Double bitted, key retaining, 9 levers, EN1300 Class B.
6890: Double bitted, key retaining, 9 levers, anti-compression, EN1300 Class C.
6980: As 6880, but with anti-x-ray?
6990: Double bitted, key retaining, 9 levers, anti-compression, anti-x-ray, EN1300 Class C.

There are photos of the 6860 at http://wiki.koksa.org/FAS_vds_Klasse1_verstellbar .

I do know 6860, 6880, 6890, 6990, but I have never seen the others. I can guess that the 680x has all levers on one side. Otherwise I have no idea what the difference is, e.g. of the 6580/6824/6870 to the 6880.


I can add that the 6804/5 are both 7 levers and all on the top, and that the 6870 is 9 levers and key retaining with randomly varied top/bottom levers (mine is 3 top, 3 bottom, 3 top). I've been hunting a 6824/25, but haven't found one... I believe it is 7 levers, the 6824 being the double-bitted version of the 6804, and the 6825 being the double-bitted version of the 6805.

I posted a teardown with lots of pics of the 6804 last year here and the 2-in-1 I made for it here if anyone's interested. I can take some pics of the 6870 this weekend if you'd like to see that one.
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Post Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:18 am

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madsamurai wrote:randomly varied top/bottom levers (mine is 3 top, 3 bottom, 3 top)

I have read, that they changed from constant to random at some point.

madsamurai wrote:I can take some pics of the 6870 this weekend if you'd like to see that one.

Sure!

I added your information to my list.
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Post Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:36 pm

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Sorry haven't had time to put up the pics I promised yet... spent some time reworking my 6804 pick with a steel tensioner rod to replace the brass one I used originally. I was able to pick that lock twice when I first made that pick, and never again since then... turns out the brass was not strong enough to push the bolt all the way even when the gates were aligned, so I may have been picking it but still not getting opens. With the steel and soldered flag, it's much stronger and I was able to pick it yesterday (finally!) once more.

I have everything laid out and planned out to put together a similar pick for my 6870... it'll need to be just different enough that I don't want to use one pick for both style locks. I expect it'll be pretty tough to pick (if possible at all), as the teeth are a little longer and the false gates deeper, and there seems to be a little play in the fence sliders that might seal the deal. I don't really expect the opposing levers to be a problem, since they're open enough on the opposite side to flip the pick around easy and should be obvious by feel which side is the active side.

In the mean time, does anyone have key specs for any of these? I have measured depth/spacing on the keys I have (and may even have it right), but would like to have an official reference. Also would love to find specs for the LaGard 2200/2270 series keys if they're out there.
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Post Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:56 pm

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What information do you need? I have keys for the 68x0 and 2270.
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Post Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:17 am

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MartinHewitt wrote:What information do you need? I have keys for the 68x0 and 2270.

I was just hoping to find standard depth and spacing info for the 68xx series... I've measured and I think I have all the bitting possibilities covered with the keys I have, but would like the official cut charts just for reference and to make some rough keys for picking practice.

On the 2200/2270 keys, I'm looking for the total number of "bitting" possibilities and the angle difference between each. I'm trying to build a pick/decoder similar to this (do they really get almost $2000 for these? wow.) and want to set up a cutting rig so I can mill some random "keys" in brass tubing so I can set different combinations for practice. From the picture of their decoder ring, there are at least 14 possible cut depths/angles, but can't see the entire thing so maybe it's even more. I have a few keys, but not enough to cover every possibility if there are that many, and no way to know how many are potentially between the cuts I have available to measure.
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Post Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:21 am

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I can't help you with official data.

The 68x0 locks allow to encode 6 steps because the fence plates(?) have only 7 teeth. So if you have 6 positions you have all.

My 2270 key has the code numbers 17, 7, 11, 8 in case that helps. Making just a pick is easy. Adding a pointer and a square (with known positions) can be enough to convert it to a decoder, but I am not sure how useful that is as it can be reprogrammed with new keys when open.
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