Re: Safe Chronicles, Part II - Beyond the Lockroom
Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:54 pm
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mdc5150 wrote:The most recent was a Gary. I don't know how manipulable it is because I couldn't get the customer to leave me alone. Lots of questions, noise, etc. It is not going to be fun to drill.
Riyame wrote:Glad to see you are back at it and congrats on the crack. And DAMN! The lock room looks sweet man.
mdc5150 wrote:Don't be too tough on locksmiths who drill. There are far fewer locksmiths who manipulate than you might think and they have to make a living too. A lot of people look at safes as an object to keep things safe and that is it. They don't have a passion for manipulation etc.
mdc5150 wrote:My boss sent me to the manipulation class because I asked but he had no faith in it. Now I get first shot at manipulation over selling.
mdc5150 wrote:The most recent was a Gary. I don't know how manipulable it is because I couldn't get the customer to leave me alone. Lots of questions, noise, etc. It is not going to be fun to drill.
Oldfast wrote:while I service the lock.
Oldfast wrote:.
So your talkative and brief session with the Gary... do you feel like you were able to take anything at all from it? Were you able to locate contacts? How'd they feel and where were they? The wheels have fixed or movable flys? Is this one in the floor?
MartinHewitt wrote:Oldfast wrote:while I service the lock.
How do you service the locks? Do you do anything on a modern lock?
mdc5150 wrote:Oldfast wrote:So your talkative and brief session with the Gary... do you feel like you were able to take anything at all from it? Were you able to locate contacts? How'd they feel and where were they? The wheels have fixed or movable flys? Is this one in the floor?
I located the contact points right away, left contact 36 right contact 41. This is a double door safe and as it just so happens we have one exactly like it in our yard so I was able to get a look at the inner workings of the lock and see that it is a screw change lock and the drive cam can also be changed as well so the contact points can be different. In fact on the safe we are working on the bottom lock has different contact points. i don't remember what those were as I didn't work on that lock. The this that struck me about the locks on the safe in our yard though is that the drop is a 90 degree drop and not an angled in drop like on a 6730. Much like the round door you have pictured above. In fact these are round doors as well and have that same style drive cam as big as the wheels. I even thought about contacting you to see if you would be willing to fly out to manipulate this safe as they really don't want any holes, but we are still waiting to see if the autodialer will work.
Oldfast wrote:We could discuss it (lock servicing) further sometime if you'd like. I myself am still learning. The more we know about what can go wrong, the more we know what to look at. You might be surprised to find out just how many little things can create big problems down the road.
mdc5150 wrote:Oldfast wrote:So your talkative and brief session with the Gary... do you feel like you were able to take anything at all from it? Were you able to locate contacts? How'd they feel and where were they? The wheels have fixed or movable flys? Is this one in the floor?
I located the contact points right away, left contact 36 right contact 41. This is a double door safe and as it just so happens we have one exactly like it in our yard so I was able to get a look at the inner workings of the lock and see that it is a screw change lock and the drive cam can also be changed as well so the contact points can be different. In fact on the safe we are working on the bottom lock has different contact points. i don't remember what those were as I didn't work on that lock. The this that struck me about the locks on the safe in our yard though is that the drop is a 90 degree drop and not an angled in drop like on a 6730. Much like the round door you have pictured above. In fact these are round doors as well and have that same style drive cam as big as the wheels. I even thought about contacting you to see if you would be willing to fly out to manipulate this safe as they really don't want any holes, but we are still waiting to see if the autodialer will work.
Oldfast wrote:Keep up the good work Martin!!