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Safe Chronicles, Part II - Beyond the Lockroom

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Oldfast

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Post Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:11 am

Re: Safe Chronicles, Part II - Beyond the Lockroom

Thanks for lookin' guys. I never know what I'll run into. Or who. Or what I'll walk away with! lol

A few weeks ago, a nice couple gave me three dozen fresh farm eggs, lol. I'm down with that!
A fella yesterday gave me some cubed venison from his latest hunt. Scrambled eggs & meat!
Some people insist I take some money. I can understand that. I graciously except and tell 'em
I'll put it in the gas tank to help me get to the next fella that needs some help. But one thing
I always walk away with is a little more experience & some photos for my reference library.
" Enjoy the journey AS MUCH as the destination."
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Oldfast

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Post Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:12 am

Re: Safe Chronicles, Part II - Beyond the Lockroom

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MAJOR Liftout Round Door (Old Style)


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The New style doors vary in several ways; The tag above the dial will be square opposed to the oval shown here.
The curved arrow displaying left & right will arc the other way (i.e. it will arc down, matching the curvature of the dial).
Lastly, the new style door houses a LaGard lock. Whereas the old style shown here has (what I believe to be) an S&G.


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The safe sets in the wall about 6' up. For the first time I found myself standing on my stool instead of sitting on it.
With my head touching the ceiling and my stool offering a rather small 8"x10" platform... thankfully this spin was
not all too painfully long, lol. However, it could have taken less time had it not been for a mistake I made right
off the top. I mis-tagged the the first gate I found to w2, when in fact it belonged to w1. In some cases there
is convincing evidence to lead to such a mistake. This was not one of those cases. I know because I ran
some tests after the opening to find out. A mistake that shouldn't have a happened. Lesson learned.
Also, I found the opening index on this one helpful. It comes to a fine point for precise readings.


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The secondary door, fitted with a bank deposit lock, seals off another compartment to the back.
(Sorry guys, I neglected to take a photo of the actual safe after these doors were removed.)


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Group 2 ... 3 wheel ... mesh change .... spring-load lever

DIALING: L R L Right to stop (84)
CONTACT AREA: approx. 94-0

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" Enjoy the journey AS MUCH as the destination."
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MartinHewitt

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Post Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:27 am

Re: Safe Chronicles, Part II - Beyond the Lockroom

Oldfast, was the deposit lock locked?
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rusirius

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Post Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:55 pm

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That thing is ugly as all hell... and yet I can't stop looking at it and thinking it's beautiful... WTH?!?!? LOL
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Oldfast

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Post Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:52 am

Re: Safe Chronicles, Part II - Beyond the Lockroom

MartinHewitt wrote:Oldfast, was the deposit lock locked?

It was locked, but wasn't blocking off the second opening.
It was just lying in the bottom of the first compartment.
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Fritz the Cat

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Post Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:31 pm

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You are definatly on a roll ! This thread is a must read for anyone interested in real world safe manipulation . I'm interested what is your "official" count in safe openings so far ? :smile:
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Post Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:51 am

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Fritz the Cat wrote:You are definatly on a roll ! This thread is a must read for anyone interested in real world safe manipulation . I'm interested what is your "official" count in safe openings so far ? :smile:

9 successful openings... 1 fail... and 1 that I'll call 'pending' for now - as I'm not ready to give up just yet :)

I'll post 'em all here eventually. I'm just as eager to share my fails to see what I can learn from them.
" Enjoy the journey AS MUCH as the destination."
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Post Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:53 am

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Oldfast wrote:9 successful openings... 1 fail... and 1 that I'll call 'pending' for now - as I'm not ready to give up just yet :)

I am sure there will be in 20 years a book about you as the greatest safe cracker. :)
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Post Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:26 pm

Re: Safe Chronicles, Part II - Beyond the Lockroom

Interesting read!
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Oldfast

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Post Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:19 am

Re: Safe Chronicles, Part II - Beyond the Lockroom

If you have any thoughts on this safe being something other than Detroit, let's hear it!
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Detroit Safe


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This one stands just shy of 3' tall and 2' wide. The hinges,
and especially the corners of the safe seem quite distinct.

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DIAL is numbered 1-50 and the HANDLE turns clockwise to open.

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I've also heard these referred to as 'skeleton' safes. Due to the exposed boltwork I suppose.

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Sargent & Greenleaf 6840
DIALING: L R L Right to stop
CONTACT AREA: approx 21-25

Group 2 ... 3 wheel ... hole change .... gravity driven lever

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Special thanks to Riyame for helping me put
an exact number on this Sargent & Greenleaf.
" Enjoy the journey AS MUCH as the destination."
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Post Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:23 pm

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What a fantastic way to chronicle you work! I could just read through this kind of thing all day... Thanks for sharing and a very happy holiday season to you and your family!
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Post Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:54 pm

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We should try to make Oldfast more famous, so that he gets more calls for help and we more safe stories and pictures. But not to famous, so that he hasn't any more time to write here.
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Post Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:41 pm

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:D Does anyone know where in Detroit this safe comes from ? I never thought a safe company would be here in Detrot. I like the safe
I just opened my safe today , I'm catching up to you . 1 to 9 :D
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Oldfast

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Post Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:25 am

Re: Safe Chronicles, Part II - Beyond the Lockroom

tumbl3r wrote:What a fantastic way to chronicle you work! I could just read through this kind of thing all day... Thanks for sharing and a very happy holiday season to you and your family!

Happy holidays to you too my friend!! And thanks so much for the encouragement.
Hopefully my efforts will result in a semi-steady stream of goodies for you to read.

MartinHewitt wrote:We should try to make Oldfast more famous, so that he gets more calls for help and we more safe stories and pictures. But not to famous, so that he hasn't any more time to write here.

:rofl: Ha! No thanks!! :oops: I'm more than content to just be "that guy" that runs around opening safes. lol

Fritz the Cat wrote:Does anyone know where in Detroit this safe comes from ? I never thought a safe company would be here in Detrot. I like the safe I just opened my safe today , I'm catching up to you . 1 to 9 :D

Indeed, you're off to a great start! As far as the Detroit Safe Company; Terry (Andy) on ALLexperts,com
gives some history HERE. Andy has 40+ years in the Safe & Vault Industry and shares a great deal of
knowledge there. Though I've never posed a question to him directly, I enjoy looking through his Q&As.

Started by David Osgood Paige (D.O Paige), the company produced safes & locks
from 1865 until 1919, when it was acquired by the Diebold Safe & Lock Company.
" Enjoy the journey AS MUCH as the destination."
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Post Sun Dec 25, 2016 10:04 pm

Re: Safe Chronicles, Part II - Beyond the Lockroom

Really enjoying this thread. :hbg:

Do you ever offer to replace the" older" locks with "Newer - more up to date" locks?

Never know, some people might prefer that.

Nothing shady, but worth an ask.
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For every expert there is an equal and opposite expert.
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