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Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:28 pm
by MartinHewitt
Here the graphs to my last opening. The half red line was my first attempt which I stopped because I had something else to do.

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:12 pm
by Fritz the Cat
You were able to open the lock with 1 graph AWL only ? Thats pretty good Martin.

I've got my practice lock asembled but I need to snip the excess material off the spindle key . I havn't made a combination change yet.

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:02 pm
by MartinHewitt
No, I stopped and discarded the AWL. I did one graph AWR, one with Rx/Rx/L97, a view tests for wheel position and gate position and one graph for Lx/R47/L97 until open.

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:58 pm
by MartinHewitt
Manipulated it open again the last two evenings. This time I measured the time. Nearly 200 minutes!

I started without paper to see if that works. It did work for one number, the 76. The next low area I had around 35, but I wasted there a lot of time identifying gates there. So after 60 minutes I had still only the 76. Then I did an AWL with pen and paper. The 76 was obvious. Between 30 and 50 there was a long low area without any signs of a gate. In the area from 0 to 30 it was rather uneven and on 5-7.5 there was a light possibility of a gate. So I parked wheel 1 at 35 and did a 35/x/76 scan and got no indication of a gate. Then I parked wheel 2 at 35 and did a x/35/76 scan. At around 17 there was a good indication of a gate. I did not finish this scan, but started a scan with 17/x/76. The lock opened at 17/5/76.

Next time I will again record everything on paper.

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:25 pm
by Oldfast
Lookin' good! Repetition, repetition, repetition :)

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:20 pm
by MartinHewitt
Thanks. Got it changed today by my CCG. So will have my next try on the weekend.

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:32 pm
by MartinHewitt
Got it open again! This time I needed 78 minutes.

AWL showed a gate at 70. I did then an R/R/L70 scan starting at R25 down until R55 to reduce time, because 25 - 50 was a general low area. That scan showed two good gates at 13 and 67. I could put R13 to the first wheel and R67 to the second wheel. I tried to locate the first wheel at L and the lock opened at L15/R67. So my CCG must have made an error when changing the combination.

I have to get a better understanding of the effects of direction change. And my dialing should get faster. The AWL scan alone took me 25 minutes, also the shortened R/R/L70 scan.

Martin Hewitt

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:39 pm
by MartinHewitt
The combination my CCG selected was 15/67/69. I made a random combination sheet for her, so that it is easier for her. Besides the last not being between 0 and 20 I gave her no limitations. I think it is more surprising this way.

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:59 am
by Oldfast
Let the games begin! :D

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:08 am
by MartinHewitt
Yup! Got it changed again yesterday. :razz:

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:03 am
by MartinHewitt
AWL scan showed only one gate at 25 which was as always wheel 3. RRL25 scan showed this time only one gate which was at 7. I started the LR7L25 scan from 95, because this was the beginning of a rather high area in the RRL25 scan. I believed that wheel 1 should be also there. I ran until 55 - because this was the lowest point and definitely the end of any high area - without any success. (I am interested in higher areas because next to the gate are often high areas looking like a vertical cut trough the mouth.) Because I feared, that wheel 2 and 3 where not accurate enough I amplified them. They were accurate enough though, but 7/26 was a bit more accurate. Now that I knew that 2 and 3 have to open I continued my LR7L26 scan and at L60R7L26 the lock was open after 89 minutes. I am sure McOmie drills faster. The AWL scan took me 14 minutes, the RRL25 scan 22 minutes. That is so slow compared to you guys!

Then I tried to locate the true impossible zone on my lock. The last wheel from 6 to 18 makes problems. 19 to 5 is fine.

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:47 am
by Oldfast
MartinHewitt wrote:Then I tried to locate the true impossible zone on my lock. The last wheel from 6 to 18 makes problems. 19 to 5 is fine.

Ah yes. So have you tried setting your last # within it to see why it's the forbidden zone?

MartinHewitt wrote:.....That is so slow compared to you guys!

Oh, I wouldn't say that. I have plenty of 60-90 minute manipulations! I'd say you're comin' along nicely.

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:28 pm
by MartinHewitt
Oldfast wrote:Ah yes. So have you tried setting your last # within it to see why it's the forbidden zone?

More like "how does it get stuck?" and "what margin is there?".

Thank you, for your kind words, Oldfast!

Re: How to assemble my "new" S&G 6700 series combination loc

PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:45 pm
by MartinHewitt
To make it this time differently I start with an AWR scan. It did show only w3@37. Finetuned for L it was 38. Then I did a RRL38 scan. I started from 100 because I had [dear with eyes poked out] where another gate could be. I was very lucky, because at 97 I had w2. In the chase of w1 I imagined one time a gate due to a reading error. So there went some time down the drain. And I was really unlucky here because I found w1 three tries before the full LR97L38 scan. The combination opening the lock after 79 minutes was then 7/97/38.

The AWR took me 19 minutes. So maybe I am getting faster dialing. Any videos on how you dial?

This week I should get a 6630 and a 6642. Nose roller and false gates.

In case somebody in Germany wants to play with new locks without an investment we could borrow/lend locks.