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Post Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:02 pm

Re: joining in with the spinning

i totally agree femurat, my normal approach is AWL every 2.5 and then often AWR looking at POI (points of interest), i often find that you can get 2 or 3 good numbers. i'll give it a day before dialing on to let others chip in, i'm interested in people's different ways of moving forward as they get more info.
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Post Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:51 pm

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Those new graphs look much better!

I'd be taking the path suggested by Femurat at this point.

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Post Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:59 am

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jharveee wrote:Think I'd park wheels 1 and 2 R10(forbidden zone), Spin wheel 3 AL every 2 increments, Starting on 30 going to 75.
The gate on wheel three should pop out. Amplify to find center of gate.


Why you choose to park wheels 1&2 in the forbidden zone? I mean, it's forbidden just for wheel #3 and has nothing to do with the other wheels.
I understand you don't want to put them in the "interesting" areas around the possible gates, between 35 and 70, but why you choose 10?

capt-dunc wrote:SO, A QUESTION FOR THE PRO's... can you see why the graph is correct, whilst considering what mecurial's said about L & R indications? (it's something that i'd not seen writen or considered, but is correct scientifically).


I guess the reading points where in the "uninteresting" or "flat" area between the variations that mercurial, and not only him, was expecting. This may have lead to a "flat" graph.

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Post Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:34 am

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fermurat; i think jharveee has just stuck with what he'd normally do, since he'd park W1&2 R10 and run W3 AL as his first course of action. in this case i'd started differently and if my first graph had suggested an amazing area to park them then he may of chosen it, but it didn't, so he stuck with his standard placement. it's possibly a better move if you had oval wheels etc since if you parked them between 30 and 75 where you were scanning W3 you'd be seeing a similar overall wheel pack shadow for part of your second run, by placing them at 10 you'll get a new look at the wheel pack with W3 off set.

also for the quick trial combinations that you've suggested, and high low tests, would you dial all L, or LRL with the numbers as they are, or LRL with a conversion for R (about 1.2 on this lock)? and why? i'd go all dialed L.
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Post Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:42 am

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Yep, that's what I thought about parking them at 10.

Sorry I should have mentioned that. I'd go dialing all left. After the test, only if the number is on wheel #2, I'd convert it to Right.
Why should I waste time by converting a number if I don't need to? It's easy to dial all the number as I find them and convert only if I have to.

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Post Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:02 am

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i'd go all left because or narrowness of the speculative point at 50, no point in increasing the margin of error. with 3 big wide clear points and a lock with wide gates i wouldn't care how they got dialed in but for this test i'd play safe.
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Post Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:17 pm

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Correct, I would have parked wheel 3 on 72 ish, and spun 1 and 2 around right.
Why park W1 and W2 at 10? For me. Just to avoid confusion.
Had I tried to park them at low areas, smack dab in the middle of the area I was searching on wheel 3. I would have needed to perform a High-low test.
Which I was trying to avoid.
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Post Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:03 pm

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following femurat's suggestion i tried 2 long shot combos and a high low test for the dip at 33. all numbers were dialed in left, in all these tests.

long shots

33 50 73
50 33 73

no joy, but worth trying a quick spin.

high low for 33

33 43 73, 6 2/6 - 13 3/6
43 33 73, 6 2/6 - 13 3/6
33 23 73, 6 2/6 - 13 3/6
23 33 73, 6 2/6 - 13 3/6

not great results, so what's our next step?
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Post Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:59 pm

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Seems like 73 might just be a low spot on wheel 3. Are we sure its a gate? I don't think I saw a graph that amplified that area enough to recognize it as a gate.
Really never explored the rest of wheel 3.(75-100) or(20-30). Perhaps in the first graph, wheels 1 and 2 prevented us from seeing a better indication?
Just thinking out loud.
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Post Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:53 am

Re: joining in with the spinning

I too am enjoying this game. Been having some computer troubles for some time, so I haven't
been able to chime in as much as I'd like. Photobucket hasn't been playing nice with me either. lol

Hearing a variety of approaches & seeing them carried out and explored.
Questioning one method or seeing another one work, or maybe not work.
It's just a great way for us all to learn something new together. Thanks.

Before I throw in my 2 cents, I wanted to weigh in
on some of the things that have been discussed....

1) I agree on an all wheels approach. For me anyway, I nearly always start
with an all wheels rotation now - be it AWL or AWR. It just makes the most
since to me. I like the good odds of catching one (or more) gates - and I'm
usually apt to find a gate sooner than if I were exploring a single wheel.

I usually continue with this theme after finding a gate... and run multiple
wheels whenever possible. Obviously, if w2 is the first to read, it's not
practical to run 1&3 together, lol. But if 1 or 3 read first, then I usually
run the remaining wheels together. 1&2 or 2&3

2) Trial combinations? Absolutely! If you even think you may have found
all 3 gates, why not? Ya have nothing to lose and it doesn't take that long.
I prefer to simply dial all #'s from the direction in which they were found.
In this case L-L-L. Rotational conversion at this point requires too much
thought for me, lol.... not to mention you'll be creating room for error.

I know we've discovered a bit more since this AWL graph...
but I'm going to base my thoughts on this one alone.
(as if this was the 1st and only one we've done).

3 POI: 33, 50, and 73.
33 is by far the most promising.
73 seems to bare more of a signature than 50.
However, 50 does give us a deeper reading than 73.

This is a pretty nice graph. I'd be happy to have it in front of me after just one revolution.
Several promising areas. Not all of them may pan out to be actual gates, but there's
plenty to roll with. Just a matter of sorting some things out. "Who's on first?" lol

Whenever I catch two or more areas in one revolution I tryn' utilize both areas for parking/isolating.
ie. Park 2 of the wheels in one POI and run the remaining wheel (by itself) through the other POI.
Similar to high/low testing, the goal is to tag one or more of these areas to their respective wheels.
capt-dunc wrote:Image

For example: I might park 1&2 @ L50 and run w3 AR through the area of 33.
If the drop occurs, then I know the gate at 33 belongs to wheel 3. You wouldn't
have to take alot of readings either - 2 would suffice. Maybe one at 36, then 33.

If the drop does not occur, might as well bring w3 around a bit further and take a
couple readings through 73 as well. Check some things out with minimal rotations.
Or, you might try parking 1&2 @ L73 (instead of 50) while running w3 thru 33 & 50.

Unable to tag one of these gates to w3? Explore w2. And finally w1. Parking & isolating.
Some other examples as you move on might be: 1&3 @ L50... 2AR thru 33 and/or 73.
Or exploring w1. 2&3 @ L73... 1AR through the areas of 50 and 33. You get the idea.

Obviously, there's a more systematic approach to all of this if you wish.
But honestly I usually just shoot around tryn' the most likely scenarios first.
In this manner, you'd be surprised how much info you can obtain in just a
minute or two. Before you know it you're in, or running the final wheel.

Personally, I'd focus my initial efforts towards tagging 33 to a wheel.
It's certainly the most definitive gate on the graph. Then go from there.
That's just me. Hope it helps. Also hope someone maybe improves or
critiques this train of thought so I can up my game too.

Thanks again for this thread. Enjoying it!
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Post Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:16 am

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Great train of thought Oldfast. I agree with you both on the introduce and the conclusion.
Parking a wheel at a known low spot is ideal for a successful hi low test... I haven't suggested that because I was afraid it could have brought more confusion than clarity, but at this point it's the best approach. Let's focus on finding the wheel gate at 33 is on.

If this fails I'd run another complete graph with AWR checking every 2 and a half increments. Sometimes is surprising what a different direction can reveal.

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Post Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:17 am

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i'm glad this hasn't turned out to be a smooth opening, i'm loving the chat.

from here, there are 3 ways i might go,

1. AWR. back to basics, a new graph in steps of 2 to see what shows up.

2. park W3 at L73, and scan W1&2 AR in steps of 2 to see what shows up.

3.park W1 at L33, W3 at L73, and run W2 in steps of 2 AR.


from what we have above, 33 is a low spot on all wheels. i'd run with option 3 above and if it didn't give us good new info, then option 4, park W2 at 33, W3 at 73 and run W1. this takes longer to dial than option 3, and since W3 shows well first, i'm gambling that W2 will be next to become clear.


i'd definitly go every 2 at this point, because it looks like the wheels are similar at 30 ish and i think it'd worth the effort.

got a busy weekend ahead but i'll find time to run option 3 and post the graph on monday.
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Post Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:54 pm

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Hey what happened??? <BG>
Was just scouring through this excellent post and nothing but crickets here
please follow up on this one, cant believe no one else didn't make any noise
Its been a month (or did it somehow get misfiled??)

Thanks
KJL




i'd definitly go every 2 at this point, because it looks like the wheels are similar at 30 ish and i think it'd worth the effort.

got a busy weekend ahead but i'll find time to run option 3 and post the graph on monday.[/quote]
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Post Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:01 pm

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klynch212 wrote:Hey what happened??? <BG>
Was just scouring through this excellent post and nothing but crickets here
please follow up on this one, cant believe no one else didn't make any noise
Its been a month (or did it somehow get misfiled??)

OOOOPs .......Make that 13 months of crickets



Thanks
KJL




i'd definitly go every 2 at this point, because it looks like the wheels are similar at 30 ish and i think it'd worth the effort.

got a busy weekend ahead but i'll find time to run option 3 and post the graph on monday.
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Post Sun May 27, 2018 6:46 pm

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.[/quote]
In case you haven't come across Altashot's theory for ovular wheels and the 'shadowing' affect they have.
I started working with it once, but haven't fully explored it. I myself have alot of work to do yet with LaGard.
30 & 75.[/quote]

The link is saying that i need a password or something??
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