iie wrote:

ok, so the RR thread showed wafers labeled 2 and 4, offset measured to be 40 and 80 deg

If the max cut in that 6 cut key pictured above is 80 deg rather than 90...

80 / 4 is 20 deg ... 0 - 20 - 40 - 60 - 80 could be correct... the 40 and 60 are a 2/3 disc...

I guess I can make keys from both sets of angle and see which works better

Here's the link i remember seeing for the sales literature. It describes the '83 lock as having 6 disc's

http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/sites/ ... 0Sheet.pdf

any ideas why they have such different numbers of combinations for keyed alike and keyed differently locks?

est. 2400 for Keyed Alike

est. 1600 for Keyed Different

I've screwed up - the one I have is a 0881 - the 0883 is really an entirely different lock (it's much smaller and has a different core). I haven't measured the angles in the small ones, therefore the information I posted earlier doesn't apply to your lock. Sorry 'bout that. I have one of the smaller ones around here somewhere, I'll see if I can dig up some info on it.

I'll also compare the classic Abloy blanks with that key and see if they might work.

Statistics: Posted by tpark — Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:29 am

]]>

If the max cut in that 6 cut key pictured above is 80 deg rather than 90...

80 / 4 is 20 deg ... 0 - 20 - 40 - 60 - 80 could be correct... the 40 and 60 are a 2/3 disc...

I guess I can make keys from both sets of angle and see which works better

Here's the link i remember seeing for the sales literature. It describes the '83 lock as having 6 disc's

http://www.stanleyhydraulics.com/sites/ ... 0Sheet.pdf

any ideas why they have such different numbers of combinations for keyed alike and keyed differently locks?

est. 2400 for Keyed Alike

est. 1600 for Keyed Different

Statistics: Posted by iie — Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:13 am

]]>

iie wrote:

I found a picture of a key with 6 cuts:

I think this key codes to (tip-bow) 1 2 4 0 3 2

That 4 cut looks like 90 deg.

That doesn't really supports the 0 - 15 - 30 - 45 - 60 idea

90 / 3 is 30 deg, steps would be 0 - 30 -60 -90

90 / 4 is 22.5 deg, steps would be 0 - 22.5 - 45 - 67.5 - 90 <----This looks right

90 / 5 is 18 deg, steps wold be 0 - 18 - 36 - 54 - 72 -90

The two cuts I'm labeling 2 look close enough, If they are different cuts, it could be 1 2 5 0 4 3

That would require 18 deg steps.

Check the railroad padlock key thread - it's got information/measurment about the disks in these locks.

If you take the disks out, the value is stamped onto the disk. I think a 4 cut is about 80 degrees based on measurements I took from railroad environmental locks. The consumer lock I have has 5 disks, and most of the railroad locks have 3 disks. I think the angles are closer to 0-20-40-60-80. Standard Abloy angle increment is 18 degrees (for classic and profile) so it could be that increment, but since the disks/keys are different, there's a possibility that a nonstandard increment is used for these locks.

Statistics: Posted by tpark — Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:01 am

]]>

I think this key codes to (tip-bow) 1 2 4 0 3 2

That 4 cut looks like 90 deg.

That doesn't really supports the 0 - 15 - 30 - 45 - 60 idea

90 / 3 is 30 deg, steps would be 0 - 30 - 60 - 90

90 / 4 is 22.5 deg, steps would be 0 - 22.5 - 45 - 67.5 - 90 <----This looks right

90 / 5 is 18 deg, steps wold be 0 - 18 - 36 - 54 - 72 -90

The two cuts I'm labeling 2 look close enough, If they are different cuts, it could be 1 2 5 0 4 3

That would require 18 deg steps.

Statistics: Posted by iie — Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:41 pm

]]>

Turns out just about everything bows at the alter of the mighty ENDMILL

With the side opened up i could see what had to me moved and I opened the shackle, tore down the lock and made a few finish passes to clean up the cutaway.

I've got the 6 discs i expected, numbered similar to the ones in the RR locks. My lock only has 3 different discs, but their orientation matters.

Do the 0, 2, and 4 discs in the RR locks really not have a number on the back?

From the tip of the key:

Disc 2/3 3 facing the bow

Disc 1/4 1 facing the bow

Disc B/0 0 facing the bow (this is the disc to use when turning the cylinder)

Disc 2.3 3 facing the bow

Disc 1/4 4 facing the bow

Disc 2/3 2 facing the bow

The 4th (from the bow) position that turns the cylinder looks like the blank won't need to be cut at all.

The numbers that face the bow count from smallest cut to largest cut.

I think this key should be called a 3-1-0-3-4-2

Does anyone have a key for a 0883/0881?

Can you measure the angle between your cuts?

I'm inclined to guess the cuts are 0 - 15 - 30 - 45 - 60

If those are the angles, a 1/4 disc can be installed to require a 15 or a 60 deg cut while a 2/3 disc can require a 30 or 45 deg cut.

I think a 90 deg cut would leave too little key for reliable long term operation, is a 75 deg cut the same way? Could there be 0/5 discs in the wild?

Could there be alternate driver discs? Like a B/1 through B/4 ?

Do we think the driver disc is always in that 4th position?

Here's that cutaway, because who doesn't like a lock with a big hole in it?

Statistics: Posted by iie — Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:51 pm

]]>

Although I may not come around much, keypicking.com remains one of my all time favorite sites

It's definitely my most favorite picking site

Statistics: Posted by aoyue2702 — Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:57 am

]]>

]]>

]]>

]]>

I have tried this from FF, Chrome and IE and also from 3 different computers (on different internet connections).

I take it that nobody else is seeing this?

Statistics: Posted by huxleypig — Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:28 pm

]]>