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femurat wrote:

Congrats on the opening!

It's a very good habit to graph the last number. As Jaakko said, if you got one of the other numbers wrong you haven't wasted your time in checking the last wheel. If you got the lock open, well, you just wasted a few minutes.

Cheers

Thank you, femurat, especially for the great write up to get me started.

Am I right in assuming that the same lock will reveal gates in the same order no matter what the combination is changed to, due to the imperfections in manufacturing of the discs (much like how a lock will usually pick in the same binding order due to imperfections in the drilling of chambers)?

Statistics: Posted by Eazy123 — Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:27 pm

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It's a very good habit to graph the last number. As Jaakko said, if you got one of the other numbers wrong you haven't wasted your time in checking the last wheel. If you got the lock open, well, you just wasted a few minutes.

Cheers

Statistics: Posted by femurat — Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:53 pm

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Jaakko Fagerlund wrote:Eazy123 wrote:Ok, so I quit with the LaGard for now and picked up the SG. Boy, do the gates show up more clearly with that one. And figuring out which wheel each number is on was much easier.

My only issue now is - I have the second and third number. Is there an easier way to get the first number without dialing 0, 24, 85, 1-24-85 etc? I went by twos from 0 to 98 with no luck and I know this lock has a tolerance of maybe .5. I'm tempted to look inside but hesitant.

Nope, that's the name of the game with wheel one. Just as a precaution, I would graph it or at least map it in my head for low spots in case it doesn't open, so I can park it somewhere low and recheck my 2nd and 3rd wheels.

Thanks!

I DID IT!! What a rush!!!

Turns out it was 48-23-85. While testing this morning I must have overturned slightly at the second number, because once I got it open, I tried 48-24-85 and was confused because it didn't work. I learned that I need to be more precise and consistent on the dial when recording. I also need to go over my graph for the 2nd number and see where I read wrong.

Statistics: Posted by Eazy123 — Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:49 pm

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Eazy123 wrote:

Ok, so I quit with the LaGard for now and picked up the SG. Boy, do the gates show up more clearly with that one. And figuring out which wheel each number is on was much easier.

My only issue now is - I have the second and third number. Is there an easier way to get the first number without dialing 0, 24, 85, 1-24-85 etc? I went by twos from 0 to 98 with no luck and I know this lock has a tolerance of maybe .5. I'm tempted to look inside but hesitant.

Nope, that's the name of the game with wheel one. Just as a precaution, I would graph it or at least map it in my head for low spots in case it doesn't open, so I can park it somewhere low and recheck my 2nd and 3rd wheels.

Statistics: Posted by Jaakko Fagerlund — Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:55 am

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My only issue now is - I have the second and third number. Is there an easier way to get the first number without dialing 0, 24, 85, 1-24-85 etc? I went by twos from 0 to 98 with no luck and I know this lock has a tolerance of maybe .5. I'm tempted to look inside but hesitant.

Statistics: Posted by Eazy123 — Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:18 am

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castle 2 wrote:Eazy123 wrote:My SG tends to "roll back" about 1/8 of a number no matter what fraction of a number I'm on, I wonder if that's why it's harder for me. The LG will stay where I'm at (unless I'm at a contact point which is understandable) and I seem to be able to take readings much easier.

I also made my own graph in Illustrator for amplifying, since the Locksmiths guide to manipulation doesn't include one. I feel that having a graph of 1/8 number is helpful, while it TLGTA only tracks in 1/4 of a number. It's been helpful, at least this time around. Still having trouble with figuring out what wheel the number is on when I get a number.

Do you have a copy of lss+ or not? The information in that is fantastic...?

I don't. Actually never heard of it. I've been picking locks without a book for the last 2 years and never needed a book so I never read it.

Statistics: Posted by Eazy123 — Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:06 am

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Eazy123 wrote:

My SG tends to "roll back" about 1/8 of a number no matter what fraction of a number I'm on, I wonder if that's why it's harder for me. The LG will stay where I'm at (unless I'm at a contact point which is understandable) and I seem to be able to take readings much easier.

I also made my own graph in Illustrator for amplifying, since the Locksmiths guide to manipulation doesn't include one. I feel that having a graph of 1/8 number is helpful, while it TLGTA only tracks in 1/4 of a number. It's been helpful, at least this time around. Still having trouble with figuring out what wheel the number is on when I get a number.

Do you have a copy of lss+ or not? The information in that is fantastic...?

Statistics: Posted by castle 2 — Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:29 pm

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I also made my own graph in Illustrator for amplifying, since the Locksmiths guide to manipulation doesn't include one. I feel that having a graph of 1/8 number is helpful, while it TLGTA only tracks in 1/4 of a number. It's been helpful, at least this time around. Still having trouble with figuring out what wheel the number is on when I get a number.

Statistics: Posted by Eazy123 — Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:54 am

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